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A Case Against Evan Turner in the Starting Lineup

A few days ago Michael posted about Meeks starting over Turner, which sparked a pretty lively discussion in the comments. Now I'm probably one of ET's biggest supporters and I'd love to see him succeed as an NBA starter, but it's in the team's best interest to leave Turner on the bench and Meeks in the starting lineup.

This is not an indictment on Turner, nor an endorsement for Meeks, but rather an analysis of the unit as a whole. Using our resources over at Basketball Value, we see that eight five-man units have played 10 or more minutes for the Sixers this season. The only lineup with a net negative – Holiday, Turner, Iguodala, Brand and Hawes – is the starting lineup the Sixers would trot out if Turner replaced Meeks. That lineup has played 12 minutes and been outscored 21-14. The sample size is extremely small, which is why I went back to last season for further evidence.

The lineup of Holiday-Turner-Iguodala-Brand-Hawes played 111 combined minutes last season. They were outscored 211-235. Of the 10 most-used lineups during last year's regular season, this lineup was the second worst in terms of production – the only lineup that was less effective involved Andres Nocioni.

For whatever reason, replacing Meeks with Turner in the starting lineup– all else equal – has proven to be an ineffective strategy over the past two seasons. Turner's clearly the better player, better prospect and a more important part of the franchise's future, but like Michael said, as long as he's playing enough minutes, developing properly and finishing games everyone should be fine with Turner coming off the bench. He, along with the Boss and Thad are one of the most prolific pine-riding threesomes in the NBA.

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I just want to hand the team over to ET and Jrue. If Evans not starting, its not his team. That’s really all that matters to me.

Can that happen with Iguodala and Brand still here though?

No. That’s why the Trade Iguodala Amnesty Brand movement has begun. Proposing #missionTIAB as this year’s thing. Anybody on board?

Oh yea I’m aboard

You guys know I’m a huge Turner fan but the fact that he’s not starting right NOW doesn’t bother me. I’m really just happy that he’s getting minutes. Last year I thought he should of gotten more time. Doug kind of made me nervous last year with how much he didn’t care to get Turner in there and develop him. But Turner really seems ultra-motivated this year, and maybe that lack of playing time lit a fire under his tail. If he’s getting somewhere around 30 mins a game this year I’ll be satisfied. Going forward though, I want him to be a starter, hopefully by next year.

I don’t have a problem with Turner not starting. I do have a real problem with him not getting more minutes. If starting is what it takes to change that, then I’d lean toward starting him. As far as I’m concerned we can start him for Iguodala. BTW anyone have an explanation for why Iguodala has had so many bad games so far this year?

Anyone going to the game tonight?

not tonight. may attend monday

I thought about sticking around seeing as I just returned from the flyers game but I decided I would go another time.

i’ve given this some thought as well. i believe the way the team is built this very second, Collins is doing things correctly. However, if you want to go the trade iggy route (i’m not very strong for or against this) it would depend on what we got in return. if we put our best 5 out from tip every night, we still would get demolished at the start of games. by putting 3 of our best players on the second team, we give our bench the chance to match this by dominating other teams second units. so until we have a SUPERB reserve for ET, i say bring him off the bench.

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