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Doug Collins, Jump Shots and the Problem with Turnovers

I'd like to preface this rant by saying I am, by no means, off the bandwagon. The team is too good at defense, too solid against lesser teams, and too historically thrifty at not turning the ball over that jumping off now would be irrational and short-sighted. But there's no doubt about it, the Sixers have been awful since beating the Lakers two weeks ago. I'm allowed to be worried, as all of you are.

Always trying to keep an eye on the big picture, I went back to a post I wrote after the Chicago Bulls win to keep me away from Sam Worthington's ledge. Here's the line that rings the truest now:

As the team now stands, they still can't be considered one of the few teams capable of winning a championship. They're just not there yet. And that's OK! Because erstwhile dreams of tanking for draft picks and expiring contracts are no longer within the realm of possibility and neither are they desirable. The past ten years taught us that winning to stay mediocre netted no big free agents nor a loyal fanbase. But what's past is prologue, and Collins has gotten them way past mediocre.

Long term, this team will be fine. They're one big free agent piece away from becoming the powerhouse they can be and that hasn't changed in the past two weeks of bad basketball. My ass is firmly planted on the top deck of the Sixers double-decker bandwagon Knight Bus and I won't be getting off in Abergavenny with Madam Marsh.

On that note, excuse me while I whip this out.

Star-divide

If you've been wondering why we always hate on the long two-point jump shot, it's because it is the worst shot in basketball. It still only counts for two points (while one step back would be worth three), and it's the furthest away from the basket, giving it that much less of a chance of going in. The league average for shots at the rim is 62.6%. This doesn't count the trips to the line due to bumping uglies down low, nor does it reference the turnovers as a result of driving the basketball. Average for two-point shots outside of three feet? 37.6%. Three-point shots have an eFG of 51.8%. Again, this is league average - not just for the Sixers.

What conclusions can we draw from this? Teams should focus on either: A) Take shots at the rim and either get fouled or make easy layups; or, B) Take three-pointers because they are, by definition, worth three points. This isn't to say that any jump shot from 4-22 feet should be strictly forbidden, because if you're open and it's the best shot available, take the damn shot. But settling for mid-range or long two's is exactly that: Settling. And if it's a major part of a team's philosophy, they're destined to falter.

So, the Sixers. Doug Collins is a defensive-minded gent, and he knows everything I've written in the last two paragraphs. He knows it. Whether he acknowledges it is an entirely different matter. The Sixers average 19.1 shots per game at the rim, five shots LESS than league average. Conversely, the Denver Nuggets, a similar team to the superstar-starved Sixers and one with better jump-shooters, leads the league with an astounding 32.8 shots at the rim. Unsurprisingly, the Nugs lead the league with a 35.8% free throw rate. The Sixers, as we've told you, are in the historically low percentile for FTR, currently at 23.1%.

There's no reason for the Sixers to take as many outside shots as they do. None. While, through the first third of the season, Lou, Jrue, and Dre were making shots at an astronomically high rate, there shouldn't have been any doubt as to how quickly those numbers will fall. And they have considerably. All three of them are shooting far below their season average in the month of February. The simple fact is, while they are average shooters, slumps happen, and when they happen, they happen hard. The only way around that is to take the ball to the basket, get easy shots, and get to the damn foul line.

Collins knows his team isn't comprised of the best shooters. They're passable, they're playing over their head, sum of the parts, etc. But the one thing stopping him from telling his guys to, hey, take the ball to the freaking rim, is his love affair with not turning the ball over. Collins practically climaxes to the low turnover totals after every game. And it's great! That's phenomenal how well they're taking care of the ball. Turnovers, by nature, lower the amount of shots you can take and give you less opportunities to score points - I get it.

But if not turning the ball over is coming at the expense of, I don't know, TAKING A GOOD SHOT, then it's not worth it. A Louis Williams 28-footer four seconds into the shot clock is a turnover. An Andre Iguodala contested fadeaway jumper is basically a turnover. Every time Jrue Holiday decides he doesn't want to use his ample ability to get to the rim, it's a turnover. Missed shots, especially for THE WORST offensive rebounding team in the league, are going the other way, just as a turnover would.

I'm not suggesting that they Jeremy Lin it, driving excessively and recklessly turning it over 9 times each. But there IS a happy medium between being obnoxiously conservative with the ball and pissing it down the defender's pants. And if Collins doesn't light a fire under somebody's ass - it doesn't seem like he's going to - then they're going to lose to decent teams and it'll be painful to watch them do it to themselves.

I strongly urge you to stay with me on board because the Sixers are exactly who we thought they were. A very good team with too many holes to contend against the top tier. If this season ends in a 2nd round playoff 7-game exit and a big-time free agent comes in the offseason, 2012 will have been a success. And again, that's fine.

But down the road, Collins will have to get his shit together and understand the same things he preaches on defense apply on offense as well. The team who takes the ball to the basket wins more often than not. Our collective feet are extremely bloody from all of the gunshot wounds.

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Amen, brother.

Since I wasn't around yesterday I'm going to respond to both posts here

Post 1: I don’t think the sky is falling I was just pissed off because I thought we let a game get away against the defending champs(even if they won’t win it again this year) & the ESPN douches asking if we’re for real yet crowning Jeremy Lin. Also after the Mavs & Clips games I think trapping Lou Williams will be in the scouting report of other teams, here’s another also since I’m the optimist here on LB I still say it wouldn’t shock me if we avoid Miami by some miracle in the playoffs that we could make it to the finals

Post 2: Agree but as mrprice33 says the guy that majority of 76er fans want benched Orestes Meeks Jr when he scores 10+pts we usually win but he also isn’t taking long 2’s it’s usually either 3s or at the rim on the fastbreak

Thank you!!!

I think it should be pointed out that ET started the season successfully penetrating the paint and has stopped since the Magic game where he was reamed by DC.

Turner has attempted 18 shots at the rim in the last 15 games, compared to 34 the 15 games prior. The tipping point seems to be the game against Washington on Jan 23rd. Since that game he’s only had 2 or more shots at the rim 3 times (3 out of the last 4 games, actually).

This team is one superstar away from contender status, but will they actually get that guy? And who do they have to lose to get him?

What other legitimate names are available in free agency at the end of the season? There is really no point to even fathom Dwight Howard coming here, as glorious as that would be.

There aren’t any.

I think you’re letting players and GM off the hook on this a bit. When the Sixers acquired Elton Brand, he was a 16-18 foot jump shooter who didn’t get to the line. When the Sixers acquired Hawes, he was epically bad at getting to the line. Thaddeus Young has never gotten to the line, either in the pro’s or in college. Neither has Jrue. They’ve both been terrible at it their entire careers, despite having the ability. Iguodala has never been a great slashing wing (I consider ‘06-’07 an aberration).

I’m not sure why the players are getting the benefit of the doubt when they’ve never shown the ability (or, in Jrue’s case, the mindset) to get to the rim and get to the line consistently.

I don’t believe Doug is telling them to settle for 20 foot jumpers. Is his “incessant” harping on limiting risky plays maybe taken back a little bit of their aggressiveness? Yes, but it’s only making an existing problem worse. This team doesn’t have the personnel to play like the Nuggets, and doesn’t have the personnel to be a top offensive team.

While I agree, I don’t think the reasons are 100% philosophical. Ability has to be factored in. If you break it down player-by-player, the Sixers don’t have a lot of guys who can get to the rim productively.

While Jrue can get to the rim more than he does, he’s well below average in both finishing and drawing contact.

Jodie Meeks can’t get to the rim at all.

Iguodala is a good finisher but has been average, at best, at beating his man off the dribble throughout his career and now he can’t make free throws.

Elton Brand is basically a jump shooter at this point in his career.

Spencer Hawes, Nik Vucevic and Lavoy Allen are all finesse bigs.

This team essentially has three guys who can get to the rim, and they all come off the bench. The Nuggets have Nene, who averages 5.8 attempts at the rim alone (more than Hawes, Vooch and Brand COMBINED) and a point guard who’s phenomenal at breaking down the D and getting into the paint in Lawson. We have neither a big man who can bang in the paint or a penetrator like Lawson.

I really wish we had a big man who could bang in the paint. I really think that’s one of the biggest missing links to this roster.

Any big man who could finish would help tremendously. That’s where you could see a huge spike in FTR and shots at the rim.

The lack of ORebs from our bigs = less attempts at the rim.
The lack of any bigs who catch and finish anything, whether it’s off the pick n’ roll, interior passing, posts up with deep position, etc. = less attempts at the rim.

I’m more on the side of this being an issue with player personnel than Collins’ coaching philosophy.

Top 10 Players in Rim Attempts

Blake, Monroe, Westbrook, Pekovic, David Lee, Cousins, Dwight, Love, LeBron and Tyreke.

Seven of those guys are either PF/C and one’s LeBron. The Sixers have a roster stacked with wings, but void of any real bigs. All of our bigs play small, which further explains the lack of attempts at the rim. P.S. Turner was drafted ahead of two of those guys.

So we have no legit big and no penetrating freaks of nature like Tyreke, Russ, LeBron, Lawson, etc.

Turner, at that time, was the consensus no. 2 pick. In retrospect I would rather have Monroe, but no one could have assumed this at the time.

As much as I’m looking forward to what a developed Turner looks like, I would consider packaging him for a potential trade in order to land a big with this type of skill set.

sign iverson to the d-league?
so why havent the sixers traded for a big man yet?

because it takes at least two teams to make a trade.

Another stat we're forgetting ...

Here’s the breakdown for the Sixers in assists at the rim per game:

Jrue – 1.4
Iguodala – 1.3
Lou – 1.2
Hawes – 1.1

For Denver:

Miller – 4.2
Lawson 3.0
Rudy – 1.4
Nene – 1.3
Gallo – 1.2

You can say the Nuggets have better players in terms of constant penetration and setting up teammates for easy baskets, or the Nuggets have better bigs to run p’n’rs with, or the Nuggets have a better-designed offense, or a combination of all three. Point is, it isn’t just a matter of Doug Collins wanting the team to take bad shots. Like Derek said, personnel has to be factored in.

Seems like Turner can get to the hoop at will when he wants to, not sure why he has stopped doing so lately. I think Jrue has the ability, I’ve seen him take tons of nice drives to the hoop BUT I’ve rarely ever seen him take contact at the rim and finish.

Pretty pumped to watch this game against Minny tonight. Rubio and Love are fun to watch. That Pekovic guy is probably one of the scariest looking dudes in the NBA/

Since Derek and Jordan said basically the same thing, I'll respond here:

I totally agree with a lot of it being on the players and I didn’t address that above, but I feel like everyone’s been crediting Collins for the awesomely low turnover rate, so he should also bear the brunt of the responsibility for where the team takes its shots.

Getting to the rim is a choice, not an ability. Finishing at the rim is a different story, but if Jrue wanted to take the ball to the basket, his ability isn’t what’s stopping him. It’s the mindset he’s been working with, and if Collins is responsible for dipping his turnover rate, he can be just as responsible for changing his approach to scoring.

Basically, as always, the problem comes from the marriage between the personnel and the coaching. It’s not one person/player’s fault, but rather a team issue that should be rectified or at least improved upon.

Disagree with getting to the rim being a choice. Not just anybody can get to the rim.

I think Jrue and Turner are both capable of getting to the rim.

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