Liberty Ballers

I thought it took a day for you to join a blog before you were cleared to post?

Depends on the blog. Not here.

You werent even first

ark88 - February 19, 2012 reply

he was the first troll to post here, though.

He wasn’t even a very good troll. Old tired troll arguments

Child soldier Frank Jaeger - February 19, 2012 reply

Did anyone else watch the game?

Did Rubio outplay Jru?

yes

TrentEdwardsHoF2018 - February 19, 2012 reply

This is his third identity, in case that hasn't become clear.

{Insert venting here}

TwistyWristy - February 19, 2012 reply

I don't know what to say that doesn't involve cuss words

KJ Brophy - February 19, 2012 reply

Go for it.

F l_l C K

Lou Will isos

When is Collins gonna hand it over to Jrue at the end of the game? I HATE ISOS THAT END UP IN JUMPERS DRIVEEEEEEEE

LeJclair1 - February 19, 2012 reply

Why didn't Lou just throw the ball at the rafters instead of taking the shot? by then time it came down mad scrabble game over

pb111 - February 19, 2012 reply

wolves fan here

I wondered that same thing for a while there. You never see it done, but you could definitely kill most, if not all, of those extra 4 seconds with a high toss.

Maybe it’s illegal?

TO12 - February 19, 2012 via iPhone app reply

F*** everything.

I’m convinced no team gets screwed more then the sixers

scarhart3 - February 19, 2012 reply

I don’t understand why Lou took that shot. I just don’t get it. There was time left on the shot clock. This is so frustrating. Love was not fouled at the end. terrible, terrible call. Just a disaster.

Even worse...

They didn’t put any time back on the clock.

Sixers are now 14-29 over the last 2 seasons in games decided by 7 or less.

I think.. I’m a little too pissed to go back and count them all.

They’re the anti-Mavericks

Love was clearly fouled.

I don’t see how that was hard to miss for you guys. It’s okay though. You’re still #1 in the division so why you are all crabbin about being the most screwed team in the league is freaking hilarious.

WildWolves - February 19, 2012 reply

I agree. Iggy reached in and tugged at his jersey. Dumb foul.

No jersey tug. Photo.

Bob Mcflallergy - February 19, 2012 reply

no tug then

but defs a reach

why? He got all ball!

Touching the basketball is not a foul.

I just zoomed in on that picture.

He got him on the arm as well.

I’m not sure you’re looking at the same photo…

Love’s elbow is at his hip. Just making sure you realize that when looking at the photo.

If that was the only thing that happened it was a bad call

However, I think that if we watch it in motion we may see something different. There was a lot of contact on the way to the basket

no.

Okay?

What if you watch it and things look different?

then I would get my eyes checked.

oh look, you happen to be a wolves fan trolling on here. Loser.

How is that trolling? I am asking an honest question because IN MOTION it looked like there was a foul

I am well aware of star calls and think they are BS. That looked like a foul.

How are you trolling? WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I wanted to see what your guys' reaction to that call was?

I also was reading this as the game went on. I like to get different perspectives during these games.

A more simple answer may be: I am here to discuss this game.

Oh yes, you just want a civil discussion. I see. You are not a troll at all. I was wrong the whole time.

Yup...

We don’t think it was a foul.

The game thread was trolled and is continuing to be trolled by some Minnesota guy. You’re in murky waters now

Well aware. He does this every game and it sometimes gets fanbases riled up

And this was already a riled up fanbase

From what? You guys seem to be having a pretty great year thus far

From a referee who was making pretty bad calls for the majority of the game.

Our own team taking bad shots, being dumped on by the media, losing close games, and the occasional dubious foul call

it’s a troll question. please stop denying it. it’s not somethign that can be legitimitely argued. You are here to troll.

It is a legitimate question

I am not that Lance guy or whatever. Please note that he is banned from canis hoopus and that we are not all here to piss you guys off

I’m universally OK with fans of other teams coming here. This guy does not seem terrible. Let us treat him as such.

I’ve seen it in motion at least 5 times already. Things do not look different.

Bob Mcflallergy - February 19, 2012 reply

he’s clearly on his arm in that photo

clearly a reach, and there was more too his reach than a freezeframe. A lot of teams wouldn’t get hit with that call, but it was a clear foul, and a really dumb one at that.

You’re just way off base.

if evan turner did it then it wouldn’t be a foul, right?

We all see through biased eyes.

However, its just a culmination of a lot of poor fouls against us and none for us over the course of the year.

Wolves fan here as well. I'm not a homer with ref opinions (Barea is a flopper) but that as a foul.

You are a jerk. IT was all ball. Go back to your little world were your team stinks. We were ripped off

champion64 - February 19, 2012 reply

This is a legitimate question...

Why didn’t Lou just throw the ball at the rafters instead of taking the shot? by then time it came down mad scrabble game over

because you can’t decide basketball games with scrabble…come on man.

This is true.

If you fail to hit the rim they reset the clock to the time when the 24 sec clock expired.

But he did shoot 2 sec too early.

If the ball hasn’t touched anything when the game clock expires, the game is over.

Derek Bodner - February 19, 2012 reply

Sixers struggle to the low 90s against a poor defensive team. If this team could score 100 occassionally they might actually win a game.

the guy who helped us score 100 during the early part of the season

is wearing a boot

YBT - February 19, 2012 reply

That was a really small sample

If we need Spencer Hawes to score 100 once in a blue moon we should just gut this team now. This Minnesota team is smallish and not at all that athlectic. General odds say that even the worst offensive team occassionally has a hot night. Unfortunately this teams offense is so bad its challenging the laws of science.

you know 100 points has additional factors like pace, right?

Getting FTs helps you get to 100 too.

So you are telling me that the slow pace they play at is the only reason they never hit 100? They are shooting about 40% from the field over the last five or six games and it doesn’t help that they can’t draw free throws. 100 is just a round number. 95 would have won it. You telling me this teams offense hasn’t been brutal lately? There percentages have been awful. They shot 44% tonight and 27% on 3’s and shot 10 free throws. Try explaining that away to pace.

by my math their offensive efficiency was 103 for the game. about 88 possessions.

TrentEdwardsHoF2018 - February 19, 2012 reply

Statistically the Wolves are pretty average at defense. Then again, they play in the West.

https://twitter.com/#!/Philly76ersBlog/status/171418556389527552/photo/1

Nothing new

T’wolves 23-26 from foul line, Sixers 8-10.

You have to take it to the rack to get fouled. The Sixers with the exception of Lou Williams and sometimes Igouda see to go away from contact on drives. They also shoot tons of long 2’s.

Jrue was taking it to the hoop all game

Have to give Jrue credit for doing a better job with this tonight.

Jrue had a goose egg from the line.

How many free throws did he shoot? Im talking about drawing fouls.

Part of that is he wasn’t getting calls.

“you have to take it to the rack to get fouled”

Jrue did that and got no calls

Igouda!

let’s try again

(...)

oh yeah, total foul there, all the way.

as the play continued the dragged across the arm

That’s just a single frame of the play

TO12 - February 19, 2012 via iPhone app reply

Quiet, apparently this is trolling

I would love it if someone made a gif of the play in question…

Joining a blog after that team loses and telling their fans that they are wrong can easily be seen as trolling by some.

I joined every team's blog right when the season started

And I generally post on other team’s boards during or after games.

Just giving you some perspective on why there was some backlash to your statements.

fair enough but to us...

It’s rubbing salt in wounds. We see the call as we see it (i know this sounds confusing) and considering the amount of bad calls that have gone against us over the course of the season, its just getting ridiculous even if this was or was not the right call.

I don't follow this team and was thus not aware

I’m not rubbing in salt at all.

We’ve been on the wrong end of a Violet Palmer powertrip, had a terribly officiated game against division rival New York Knicks pre-Linsanity, among other things.

I am not suggesting one way or another how this compares to other teams. I do follow enough teams day in and day out to know. But the Sixers have been done in by awful officiating more than once this season, and as a result, has kind of become a bit of a sore subject around here.

This.

I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a troll because I don’t think you are. However, you just are just on the bad end of a vent. I

I don’t think you never accused me of being a troll. :)

But if that was meant for CoffeeJanitor, then yeah, I understand. I don’t believe he is a troll (that’s Lance and his 82,000 other accounts), but I am not sure he realized how much of a sore subject bad officiating has been around these parts.

lol i meant CJ

Violet Palmer is the worst thing to happen in this world

I actually think there are some decent refs in the league now but she is on a short list of them that need to be fired.

She was on a power trip and made 2 absolutely horrid calls that basically turned the game around in the opposing teams favor. The second was seriously because Evan Turner touched the opposing player

yet, you were.

The star will always get that call.

you guys are forgetting, the ball is part of the arm

scarhart3 - February 19, 2012 reply

I never learned that in Biology.

You weren’t paying attention that day

every 20ppg scorer gets the ball surgically attached to his arm.

was zach zarba your professor? he was mine

scarhart3 - February 19, 2012 reply

it’s like Videodrome, except with a basketball

Long live the new flesh!!!!

Let me get this str8

Lou attempted a horrible long two when there was still seconds on SHOT CLOCK???!!?!?!!?

If he takes the shot clock down, the T’Wolves have about a second left.

Live and die with Boss

Shady is an Eagle! - February 19, 2012 reply

I’m so angry I’m vibrating.

This may be harsh, but I hope JJ Barea dies in a fire.

Chances are, if you a sentence begins with “this may be harsh,” you really should not finish the sentence and hit the post button.

This may be harsh, but I love you.

:-)

I wanna smash your face with a sledgehammer.

you didn’t say “this may be harsh”

Some things are better left unsaid.

I feel like the old Sixers are back

We suck again?

they’re not. They’re in a slump. stay positive.

RFair enough. But these past 2 weeks it certainly feels like old times. Like And Miller. 500 basketball times are back. I know they are improved, but are they all that much better than the last 66 games of last year?

The Mad Hopper - February 19, 2012 reply

It's happened guys

Sixers are a legitimate team. How do I know? We’re getting trolled by fans of other teams!

Wiki edit time:

Violet Palmer, now Zach Zarba

“with to Free Throws”

well written.

Noticed that too.

That

was frustrating.

Dave Rueter - February 19, 2012 reply

Where is Our Ability to Close Out Fourth Quarters

Still looking for that, too.

Dave Rueter - February 19, 2012 reply

To finish this turd sandwich of a game, people on Twitter are now saying Zarba blew his whistle with more than one second left on the clock.

What a greasefire.

Yup – I was wondering why the clock hadn’t been reset.

TwistyWristy - February 19, 2012 reply

Weird thing is – I bartended for every single ref last summer for Steve Javie’s retirement party down the shore. Shoulda spiked Zarba’s drinks.

And Joey Crawford got hammered.

I’m so angry I’m vibrating.

My LWHAI is at red.

There were a number of improvements that game

Jrue being first and foremost. I thought ET improved.

Boss needs to be reigned in big time. Its long overdue, he should run a mile for every 3 he heaves where he is more than 1 ft outside the 3 pt line.

Meeks needs to get benched for a bit at this point.

Brand needs more than a few days off. He is fine defensively but he cant shoot the ball at all. Give his thumb some time to heal.

salviati - February 19, 2012 reply

Jrue was attacking the rim that’s a plus. He took more than 2-3 “wtf” shots. That was a minus.

ET played well when he was in…. he didn’t play enough though.

Boss, unfortunately, won’t be reigned in. It doesn’t make sense but I’m losing faith in Doug Collins.

Never had faith, but glad to see others are coming aboard.

After blaming losses on lack of free throws and questionable coaching decisions, I’ll blame the ref in this game.

Can the Sixers file an appeal/complaint with the league for clock mismanagement?

Andy Reid is an asst coach

How the frick can you be disappointed in Turner when he doesn't play enough to warrant it?

Was thinking the same thing

Turner was playing much better to start the season then he got a injury and struggled a bit and Doug deepsixed him and totally killed his confidence. I’m not going to totally blame Doug because Turner has take some responsibility but its obvious to me Turner is the type of player you have to stick with and stay positive with if you want results. We can’t afford for him to turn out to be anything less then a decent starter at some point.

I'm going to make a Jeremy Lin observation here.

Lin has said that once he stopped worry about making mistakes and just playing the game, he started playing well. He’s exploded onto the scene because he’s playing with confidence and isn’t afraid to make/miss a shot or commit a turnover.

Turner doesn’t have that same luxury. Collins holds every player accountable and more so for the young guys. I’m not saying that Collins hates Turner. I just think that he’s lost that confidence and has reverted back to last year where he shows flashes but doesn’t keep with it.

+1

Turner = forever +1 (gazillion)

We can’t win close games… often.

~~can’t~~ havent been

Elton Brand has been awful. I know he has been injured lately but even when healthy he was not playing close to last years level. I pray we amnesty him next off season even if the team spends no additional money. At least he won’t be there for Doug to put into games when other guys are playing better like with Vucevic the other night. I got to get my veterans in lolz.

Agreed, but if we amnesty Brand it has to be for an impact guy because then we’ll have to give out potentially bad contracts to get to the cap floor

Brand has statistically been one of the best post defenders in the NBA this season.

And your point is? How many true post up threats are there in the NBA? What are the other bigs post up defense numbers? The main point is the guy doesn’t really fit on this team. He is a plodder and he is struggling on offense. Even if he is playing pretty good defense this team has been playing such good defense most nights Im comfortable going with a lesser defender for stretches if the guy is having a good night when Brand is struggling. Brand is only hear for one more year at most. Its time to start planning for him not to be here. I like Doug but he is your classic veteran coach. The veteran can do no wrong. The young player is always wrong.

My point is that he hasn’t been terrible.

Going further into it…

His rebound rate is the same as it was this season. His defense has been extremely good. If a difference of 2.3 points per 36 is enough to change your opinion on him then I question what you’re watching.

How many seconds left was the foul called?

When the foul was initially called? Over a second left on the clock.

An extra second ticked off the clock and the refs never even reviewed it.

funny when i was keeping up with the game it said “Personal Foul on A.Iguodala 00:01 remaining”

It was another screwup on what was otherwise an epically bad call. There was 1.1 seconds left, time ran down (home court advantage), and it was never reviewed.

Derek Bodner - February 19, 2012 reply

In other news,

Boston was blown out by Detroit. That’s not gonna be good for business.

Regardless of whether or not that last play was a foul ~~(it wasn’t)~~, the Sixers could have and should’ve won this game. Ugly loss, but at least there were some positives to take away, they’ll ‘bounce back’ soon and everyone will fall in love with them all over again.

TwistyWristy - February 19, 2012 reply

Honestly, we could have and should have won a lot of games.

TrentEdwardsHoF2018 - February 19, 2012 reply

Eastern Conference, top 8, playoff seeding has 6 "meh" teams...

Western Conference, top 8, playoff seeding has 0 “meh” teams…

Honestly, you do the math. The West just keeps hammering on the East. Sixers fans should be grateful they get to play in that conference. Things are much different in the West.

Ignorance is bliss my friends. Honestly, take care. You’re only two or three more players away from contention.

You again?

A THIRD ACCOUNT!

Some people go through a lot of effort to troll.

He’s toast.

can his IP address be toast, too?

this made me lawl.

Does he have any more accounts we need to be aware of?

I would guess “yes”

I've only seen three so far,

and he’s mucked up every blog he’s had a chance to so far this season.

This guy.

Congrats on joining LB 6 minutes ago! Funny how you’re a member of the same blogs as Lance + his alternate account!

and lol at the username

I know LOL are you serious?? Trent Edwards 2018

Kind of at a loss for words.

I only wish he had used this account first at the start of the game. I recognize it from when he trolled Broad Street Hockey during last year’s Flyers-Sabres series.

TrentEdwardsHof2018, who could forget it?

For what its worth, infamous non-fan Jodie Mac just said it was an awful call on wip.

Only 12 minutes for Turner :(

jrb5094 - February 19, 2012 reply

Boxscore says 14 actually, still sucks. i really thought he came out playing well. Pissed.
Good game from Jrue though although I’d like some more assists, happy with him taking it to the hoop tonight.

jrb5094 - February 19, 2012 reply

Doug-House

Hmm this a weird post- game thread. A lot of troll anger goin on I want to talk about the game!

jrb5094 - February 19, 2012 reply

can anyone tell me what happened in the last play of the game?

Love drove at the hoop and may or may not have been fouled. Hit two FT's with .1 seconds left, then the lob attempt didn't work.

correct, Love drove to the hoop, got a bs foul call, hit both freethrows and the sixers sucked a big one again.

*correction

You forgot to mention that the “foul” happened with over a second left on the clock which the refs didn’t bother to check and correct.

Can someone actually link to a video of gif?

who was the foul called on?

Iguodala.

Foul was called on Iggy, though it was certainly undeserved.

Love drove, Andre reached in and depending on who you ask, he got all ball or tick-tack fouled.

At first I thought the foul was called on Brand for the body.

same here.

to be more exact, i was asking about the sixers’ last play

Oop attempt, Darko swatted it away

Lou took a long shot with a couple seconds left on the shot clock.

Damn man, Andre Miller is so solid. 17-7-1 TO through 3.

Guys the foul was called on Brand for the body ( with .01 second left), not Dre.

Still an outrageous call.

With the way that the game was called, it’s whatever. We didn’t get a lot of fouls called are way on those drive attempts by our guards, while barea was getting calls on command.

That’s not what nba.com’s play-by-play says.

Nor is that what Malik and Zumoff said.

Really ? I thought thats how it happened from watching it the first time ( on league pass), and then listening to the radio people are saying that the call doesnt link up Iggys non foul, it happens a second later with Brand.

DID THEY CALL TRAVELING? He took at least 3 steps.

champion64 - February 19, 2012 reply

This game shouldn’t have come down to that last shot. The Sixers had so many chances to put this game away and simply failed to play decent offense. Too many lazy possessions where someone made a one on one move. No one challenges Minnesota inside.

This game was bad, because the Sixers should have won this won. No excuses. The team needs to play better and Collins needs to shake things up a bit because the offense is getting stale.

I also didn’t like no Vucevic at the end. Not smart Doug. Quit blaming the refs and look in the mirror.

RickoT - February 19, 2012 reply

I looked in the mirror…. it’s my fault? :(

lol

I know this is no consolation,

and you probably don’t want to hear anything from Wolves fans at the moment, but I really like the way the Sixers play. Nothing came easy for the Wolves tonight (especially in the first half). There were more pokes and swipes at balls than I’ve seen this season. I hope you guys bury the rest of the Eastern Conference this year. I hate the Heat, I’m bored by the Bulls, and the Celtics should be embalmed. Be well, folks.

Thanks for the good words,

and I actually like your team a little bit. But you and I both know that call at the end was a sham.

I disagree,

but that’s immaterial and something I know I won’t change anyone’s mind on here.

Yes, but your opinion is wrong because I said so.

Can’t even argue with this.

And now it’s been confirmed if you look below…

Touche.

Really don’t like Dei Lynam, if that needed to be said.

What’s she do now?

chicks been around since ’nam.

her father is worse…his voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard

DirtyWaters - February 19, 2012 reply

Apparently she has really bad breath.

Wolves season ticket holder here...

…I like the 76ers and hope you guys can make a good run in the East. I’ve always been a fan of Doug Collins and I’m happy Iggy is getting respect this year as an elite player.

I see Evan Turner is in the dog house, what do you guys think the 76ers might be looking for in a trade for him? What about Jodie Meeks? Is there anything the Wolves have that interests you other than Love, Rubio or Pekovic?

twolvesgm2012 - February 19, 2012 reply

Wellington and Wesley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just Love

He’s clear, guys. It’s a different IP address.

I dont know that screen name seems like it was just made on the spot….

No, he's solid.

I know, i was just messin. Im still getting over that pathetic attempt of a troll we had early on. He had a backup account called “Trent Edwards HoF 2018”. Like for serious?

I think that’s his primary account. Had it since 2008.

I just checked his profile. He joined SBN January 30, 2012. Also, his the font of his username bares no resemblance to Lance Armstrong_LIVESTRONG who has spaces and multiple capital letters in all of his usernames.

Granted I’ve only been here for a lil over a year, but I don’t ever remember seeing so many opposing fans in these threads in one night.

we're a raucous bunch

Anybody see who was on Lou at the end? I think it was Ridnour but I’m not 100% sure.

Yes

twolvesgm2012 - February 19, 2012 reply

well this wasn’t the worst officiated game, right ?

You Canis Hoopus Chaps seem alright.

I visited Minneapolis and St. Paul a few years ago for a wedding and I couldn’t have felt more welcome. Fine folks you have out there.

And Jordan is trending in Philadelphia. As if this night was not strange enough.

I think I went to Maryland with Jordan.

Jordan went to UNLV. Tanner went to Maryland. I went to Ithaca. Derek went to Drexel. Dave went to Niagara.

AND NOW YOU KNOW.

Damn ok, good to know. I knew one of you bastards went to umd.

The more you know…

He’s up in company with ‘Shave Your Pubes Justin’ and ‘Welcome Home David Archuleta’!

I have no idea how this happened. Those pictures of my pubes were never supposed to get out onto the internet like this.

Inexcusable

everybodyhitswoohoo - February 19, 2012 reply

xEgan - February 19, 2012 reply

Haven't seen it posted yet, so:

Video.

See 0:30 for a slow-mo, better angle that pretty clearly does show Igoudala’s hand dragging all the way across the ball and not getting the arm. A slight jersey tug by Thad but not something that would get called often at all, let alone in the final second of a one-point game.

Yeah…bad call.

Yep. This confirms it was a bs call. Now every wolves fan who was on here disputing otherwise can know the truth.

Sixers get robbed again. Not surprised anymore.

everybodyhitswoohoo - February 19, 2012 reply

*Iguodala

1-point loss. Rage. Misspellings. They happen.

I hate superstar calls

DirtyWaters - February 19, 2012 reply

yeah that looks like all ball.

clearly a reach, and there was more too his reach than a freezeframe. A lot of teams wouldn’t get hit with that call, but it was a clear foul, and a really dumb one at that.

Interesting how something like a video can change perspective.

Video definitely more convincing than a freezeframe :). I still think the reach is a dangerous and unnecessary play there, and I think we lost the game more because of Lou’s idiotic final shot than the foul. But it was a bad call.

definitely risky, and one can argue that because of that risk Iguodala should’ve known better. However, games should never come down to the refs simply because it’s bad basketball. On the other hand, Lou shouldn’t have done something so stupid that would’ve put Jrue or Turner in the doug-house for all of eternity if they had done such a thing.

Yup, agreed on both counts.

OMG you guys agreed on something. The loss is officially worth it.

haha gotta look on the bright side right? I’m never really bothered by a loss that is caused by a LouWill bonehead play, as long as Thorn remembers this and waves bye-bye when Lou opts out.

It’s only worth it if we manage to not go 20-14 by the all star break.

Funny how potentially ending up six games over .500 by the “midway point” of the season would be considered bad. Our expectations for this team this season are so much more than in seasons’ past.

If we get our ish together I think we can win the next two ( Mempis and Houston)

at this rate, if we go 1-1 I’d be happy.

Off Topic

…but some history:

Durant (51) and Westbrook (40) are first NBA teammates to score 40 in a game since Feb. 18, 1996 (Pippen 40, Jordan 44)

didnt wade and lebron do that last year?

YBT - February 19, 2012 reply

no.

ok

YBT - February 19, 2012 reply

That is just filthy. I’m rooting for them if the Sixers get eliminated. They are so likable that it’s not even funny.

If by likable you mean white, I totally agree.

Worst loss since the Nets game – this one really hurt.

Fishtowner - February 19, 2012 via mobile reply

Huh?

We are talking about the Thunder right?

I think he's talking about the Thunder.

I am pretty sure highwaterhello was talking about the Oklahoma City Thunder, in reference to the accomplishments today of Durant and Westbrook listed above by PE. I do not need to tell you Durant and Westbrook are both black, do I?

Ah sorry, drunk and thought he’s talking about the Wolves.

Fishtowner - February 19, 2012 via mobile reply

Your hittin that Fish Town H hard, huh?

Just Kidding brah, I agree the Minnesota have some white mo’ fo’s.

I contend that you would be correct with that candid assumption. Good day sir.

Probably would've won this game if Turner started

Just sayin

Fishtowner - February 19, 2012 reply

Lol

Seems legit.

A major role of coaching this team is developing our young talent.

Collins is coaching selfish and ignoring his most important role – to develop Turner, Holliday and Young. Once again, Collins keeps Turner on the bench during the closing seconds where we needed the ball in his hands. He would have run out the clock and secured the win by playing smart basketball. Instead, Lou is there with the ball in his hands and doesn’t have the sense to manage the clock – not his fault, its Collins job to have everyone prepared and they were not. Turner plays well -really well – with the limited minutes Collins danes to give him despite his versatility to play 3 different positions – and he gets benched. He gets called for a foul despite playing good defense and he is yanked. I don’t care what our record is – we aren’t going anywhere if Collins continues to squander what little resources we have.

bridgecoach - February 19, 2012 reply

Just be consistent...that's all...

Meeks is 9-for-32 from 3 over his past 7 games (28%), but he’s still getting his minutes and he’s still jacking almost 5 threes a game. If Collins has made the decision that he needs Meeks to find his stroke, and will keep giving him the minutes and shots to do that, it’s fine with me…he is trying to help Meeks rebuild his confidence and get his stroke back…just like he is doing with Turner.

Wait…

If Turner was getting the minutes and shots that Meeks has gotten the past two weeks, would that help his stroke and confidence? I don’t know if he would find his offense, but at least he would rebound, pass, handle the ball, play defense and do a bunch of other things to help the team (and some of those things at a higher level than Meeks to boot). In 14 minutes tonight, he had 7 rebounds and 3 assists – the same amount that Iggy had in FORTY minutes.

Does anybody remember EXACTLY what happened between Collins and Rip Hamilton when they were together in Washington?

bebopdeluxe - February 19, 2012 reply

On a per-36 minute basis, Meeks is tied with Chips for the fewest shots on the team.

He may be getting more minutes than I’d like him to, but he’s actually not taking enough shots in the minutes he does get, especially later in the game.

All very well said. Maybe this rut will finally convince Collins to change the lineup, but I’m not holding my breath.

I never knew what happened with Collins and Hamilton, though I can only imagine. I do remember what happened with Collins and Ratliff in Detroit, and it wasn’t pretty (well, for the Sixers it was).